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  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 10 months said ago:

    Hello Everyone!  I’m in the process of building a set of fans from a very old set of memories.  Ok, it’s only been 8 years, but I wasn’t entirely sober at the time when I got a crash course from a couple great guys in a Toronto club about how to build fans.  The guys names were Brent and Charles and the club was Fly.  Perhaps they are on this site…?

    Anyways, so far I’ve bought some chinese fans, stripped off the paper, wrapped the spines in filament tape, and bought some fabric.  I’m a little unsure of what to do next.  There’s something about adding more tape to the ends of the spines to lengthen them, and those get sewed to the fabric, but I can’t quite see how to do that.

    I live in Whitehorse, Yukon, and therefore there are no masters here to teach me.  I know this is historically a verbally-handed-down tradition, and I want to honour that tradition, but I’m a little stuck…lol  Perhaps once I get a set built properly, I can continue the tradition here.

    I would greatly appreciate any “online” tutelage anyone has to offer.

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 10 months said ago:

    Well, its been awhile with no responses.  So, I’m in the process of muddling through it myself, and documenting steps along the way.  If everything turns out in working order, I will be publishing my instructions here for anyone who cares to read it.

  • Avatar Image Gary Chambers1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Hi Steven, 

    I flag at fly quite often.  As far as fans go, I hope this helps.  Your right on track as far as wrapping the spines with tape.  Hope you remembered to remove that metal grommit from the base and replace it with a piece of soft lacing (this lossens up the fans and allows them a greater range of motion).  The material should be cut into the shape of the original paper but extend beyond the end of the spines.  You can extend it as far as you feel comfortable with.  Mine are about 6 inches of material beyond the spines.  All of my fans are glued onto the spines.  Hope this helps you out.  If your ever back in Toronto for a vacation let me know and we can arrange a night at fly.

    Gary.

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Thanks for the reply Gary!  I was starting to think no one was listening…lol.  So…. you just glue them on?  No sewing, extending the spines with filament tape, etc etc etc?  (Of course, I go for the hardest possible route every time, never thought of using “just glue”…)  So, if it’s glue, which kind?

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Oh, one more thing I forgot:  One ply of fabric, or two?  As in, are the spines sandwiched between two layers of cloth, or just stuck onto one?

  • Avatar Image Patric Faeriedaddy1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Hey there Steven sorry I didn’t see your post until now. Sounds like you are on a good track to fashion yourself a set of fans. The bamboo ribs you stripped the paper off should be sanded down a bit if there is any adhesive or paper remnant left behind. You should also make your self a pattern that you will cut your fabric panels from. Now if you are sewing your fabric to the ribs you will need to drill holes into the ribs at the points you plan to attach the fabric. If your are gluing you don’t need to drill. In the past I used glues till I was shown by Larry the idea of sewing to the ribs. I love it and don’t get that “peckerstain” look of dried glue in my fabric.

    Then you want to get Strapping tape. Its the mailing tape with fibers running through it. I myself wrap the inner ribs with the tape along the length of the rib and spiral the tape around the lead ribs to make them stronger. Then add your decor to the ribs. Weather it be paint, vinyl, paper, glitter, etc. Then get some high quality long term storage clear packing tape and wrap your ribs with it. Burnishing out any air bubbles as your go. This will make them last a long time. Cheap packing tape will yellow over time much faster. At each stage I use a awl to repop my drilled holes for sewing so they don’t get lost under the tape and decor.

    As for using one panel of fabric or two per fan is entirely up to you. I been making fans for about 7 years now and just made my first set of double panel fans about 3 years ago. If you want to really have the contrast of ribs over fabric I suggest a single panel. If you want your fans to project the color or pattern of the fabric I would go with a double panel. I find with heavier fabric I do singles and with really light flowy fabrics double panels can really help the motion and flow of your fans.

    I have bunches more of advice and tips I would love to share. But I am in recovery from a bit of surgery and rather pilled up at the moment and need to go lay back down. I’ll add more later today or tomorrow. Please feel free to ask me anything anytime. I am so happy and excited for you and glad to help you anyway I can.

    Love and Light,

    Patric

  • Avatar Image Patric Faeriedaddy1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Ah, here is an excerpt from my recipe for Ribs on reinforcing with tape. Hope this helps

    Reinforcing the ribs-

    On top of clean cutting board or surface lay out one drilled rib. Stretch out a measure of strapping tape and cut a piece about 13” long. Apply this tape on to top of rib. lining up edge of tape with center of rib. Using burnishing tool or squeegee apply pressure from center out to edges sticking it down and pushing out air bubbles. Then flip rib over and wrap tape around rib pulling it taunt, from the middle. Then out to the edges. Follow over tape with tool. Repeat again with another piece of tape until tape is wrapped completely around rib. Ending edge of strapping tape should run flat along the wide side of the rib. Tape edges that end along thin edges tend to pull off. Repeat until all ribs have been wrapped in the strapping tape. You will have a bit of excess tape on both ends of the rib as you do this. On cutting surface take your ribs one at a time and with blade trim off excess tape. Don’t cut too close to the rib. Leave a little bit of excess tape on the end to let it seal itself. Then using the chainsaw file or awl. Push and pop through the tape and clear out the drill holes for lace and stitching. Repeat with remaining ribs till complete.

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Hahaha, the ribs were the one thing I *did* remember from my conversation with Brent years ago.  Now it’s just getting them attached to the fabric.  I’ve found a preference for sewing them on (mostly because I just can’t wrap my head around how glue or tape will hold under the centrifugal forces) although early attempts at sewing have failed miserably…

    Here’s the “instructions” I’ve compiled, pulled from my memory and trial and error.  I’ve gotten up to the point of attaching the spines to the fabric:

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    These are instructions to build a fan with a diameter of 28”.  See the “Calculations” page if you wish to alter the dimensions.

    Supplies needed
    • Sharp scissors (these are going to get disgustingly sticky, prepare to clean them often)
    • Fabric scissors
    • Sharp knife
    • 9″ bamboo dollar store oriental-style fan
    • 60m x 11/16″ filament tape
    • work boot lace
    • Bristol Board
    • Light but durable fabric of your choice for the inner “body”
    • light, billowy fabric of your choice for the outer rim
    • Dress-makers’ pins
    • Strong thread to match your cloth
    • Sewing machine (preferably with regular, zig-zag, and zipper feet)
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    The Skeleton
    1.   Cut paper off of the fan, get as much off as possible.
    2.   Remove pin using a sharp knife (if plastic) or a thin saw (if metal).
    3.   Throw out one of the inner spines (you want an odd number).
    4.   Wrap the inner spines from tip to heel on roughly a 30° angle.
    5.   Do it again, but on the opposite angle (you want a criss-cross for strength).
    6.   Wrap the outer two spines the same as above, but start at the heel.
    7.   Cut 1.5″ strips of the tape (as many as you have spines).
    8.   Wrap the heel of each inner spine perpendicular.
    9.   Drill a new 1/8″ hole, 1/2″ in from the heel end on all inner spines and the two outer spines.
    10. Mark the spines 6” from the centre of that new hole.
    11. Cut 8” lengths of tape.
    12. Place the tape at the mark you made in Step 10, with the tape going beyond the tip of the spine.
    13. Fold the tape over on itself and place the end on the other side of the spine from where you stared.  Try as hard as possible to line up the sides of the tape so there’s no sticky overhang.  (Be warned, this step is a royal pain in the ass)
    14. Trim the corners off the tape on the spine end.
    15. Repeat Steps 11 thru 14 for the outer spines, but use a 12” length of tape.
    16. For the outer spines, but at the tape-end of things, do something similar to Step 8.  The outer spines will take the most stress so they have to be strong.
    17. When finished, and for safe-keeping, place the spines tape-side upright in a glass.  This keeps dust, hair and other crap from getting stuck on the sticky bits.
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    The Covering (based on an arc of 225°)
    1.   Find the mid-point of one of the long edges of the Bristol board (this board will become your template for cutting fabric).
    2.   Measure perpendicularly inwards to 5 13/16” and mark that point.
    3.  Using whatever means you wish, draw a circle around that point with a 14” radius.  (You will obviously run off the board on one edge…)
    4.  Cut along the 14” line, discarding the corner bits.  Also cut out the triangle along the flat side.  You should have what looks like a PacMan with a really wide mouth.
    5.  Draw another circle with a 6” radius using the same centre point.  DO NOT cut out this other circle, as you still need the initial point for assembly purposes.
    6.  Poke holes about 1” apart along the 6” radius line.
    7.  Trace the template onto your fabric, and poke your pencil/pen through the holes to mark out the 6” radius.
    8.  Cut the fabric along the outer edge, but do not cut out the 6” radius (you need to be able to see the centre-point to line things up).
    9. 
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    Putting It All Together
    1. Lay out the spines in the
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    Calculations
    If you’re like me, you don’t remember much of high school or college geometry.  Below are listed the equations necessary to get the correct angels and measurements for your template and cloth.

    Circumference = πd (that is 3.1415926 x diameter)

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 9 months said ago:

    This is as far as I got.  I had steps beyond #9 for The Covering, but those didn’t work out, so I removed them.  If either of you (or anyone else) has close-up pictures of your fan-building process, or pictures of completed fans, I would love to see them.  I’ve hunted through the internet, and you’d be surprised at how hard it is to find pics!  The few I have found have been very useful in refreshing my memory.  Please feel free to contact me at (am I allowed to put an email address in here?) samurai_1974@hotmail.com.  Thanks again for your great advice, Patric and Gary!

  • Avatar Image Patric Faeriedaddy1 year, 9 months said ago:

    Circumference = πd (that is 3.1415926 x diameter) Ouch math make brain hurt!

    Your recipe is a bit more complicated than the one I have been working. Not that there is anything wrong with it. You might be happier with your finished fan than you would following anyone else’s recipe to the letter. One thing I do different is on my inner ribs I only run the strapping tape down the length of the rib (both sides) and not at the 30degree angle. As I usually am adding paper, pin striping, vinyl, faerie dust, etc. on top of the strapping tape and then of course the clear packing tape over all of this so it can get a little thick for inner ribs. I do wrap at an angle and down the length of the lead ribs as these can never seem to be too thick and yes they do take the most stress. Also I suggest making a supply of extra inner ribs completely finished out with décor to replace broken ones in the future. That way you don’t get everything out to make one or two ribs.

    The patterns that I use to cut fabric for the sails I made from foamcore. I just figured how big I wanted my fans and tied a string to a pen. Holding the end of the string against the formcore where the hip of my fan would be then with the pen I drew a arc about 14″-16″(I have many difftent fan size patterns with different radius and arc degrees of 180 to 200‘s and have not yet made a pair of 360‘s) then made another arc for the inner curve of the sail. Then I cut off the excess foamcore. The I lay this pattern on my fabric and cut two panels for the sails. I made no marks on the sail as to where the ribs are going to be attached. The only holes I make are when I am sewing the sails to the ribs. I also completely finish out the sails with all trim and decor before I get to attaching the ribs and sails. Another thing I have been doing for years is sewing ribbon along all the edges of the sail. This way I don’t have to fold edges on a cure to make a seam. This also has helped with adding strength to really shear fabric. Once the sails are complete. I place the sail down on the foamcore pattern and lay my finished ribs with the hip bound with a cord or shoestring and I sew the two lead ribs onto the edges and then begin sewing the inner ribs to the sail starting from the center and working my way out to the edges. I sew my all my inner ribs to the inner curve before I sew them down at the 1/4″hole at the end of the rib. This helps your sail to attach flatter and smoother to the ribs. I should tell you I also do all this sewing on top of my foamcore pattern in my lap. I can slide the fan over the edges of the pattern where it be over the outer cure or the inner. This helped me bunches. Especially from having to flip my fan over and over so much during the sewing process.

    I try to send you some picture of what I am talking about when I can. Been keeping the conversation here to help share the information with anyone interested. When I start my next set I will have to do some video instruction on my process. Youtube look out. (I am TexasFlagger on Youtube btw) Hope this helps.

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 9 months said ago:

    I’ve discovered over time that when I’m trying to figure something out for myself, I tend to make things WAAAAY more complicated than I really need to…lol.  What you’ve posted here makes much more sense!  It also removes the nasty business of trying to pass a needle through some very sticky tape (thereby also removing the need to clean my needle every ten stiches with rubbing alcohol!)

    I think my initial ribs will be good to go with some modifications.  I was also unsure about whether to sew with the hip bound or unbound, but you’ve also answered that.

    Thanks again!  Now I’ll go check out some of your videos!

    Steven

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 8 months said ago:

    How do you get a stiff leading edge?  (insert baaaad sexual joke here)

    But no, really, I have about 5″ of fabric past the edge of my outer spine.  Am I just not using a fan that’s long enough?

  • Avatar Image Patric Faeriedaddy1 year, 6 months said ago:

    Hey Steven sorry I have been busy and distracted and not checked back he in a bit. Most of my sets really do not have a stiff leading edge. On some of the last sets I have made I have sewn in some weighted cord into the seam along the leading edge to help it fly forward more. Not sure if I am crazy about this idea yet though. Most all my set have about 3 to 5 inches of overhang past the ribs. You can make some outer ribs yourself that are as long as you want. I made one set with a leading edge rib that went to the end of the fabric and had trouble doing some of my under the arm moves without poking my ribcage. The last set I completed where my first prototype set of veil fans with about 30 inches of fabric past the end of the ribs. Having a blast learning to play with them. Hope this helps.

    Patric

  • Avatar Image Steven1 year, 2 months said ago:

    No problem, I’ve obviously not checked back in a while either…lol.  I picked up some better fans in Chinatown last time I was in Toronto, and I’ll see how those work out.  I also think I need to use lighter fabric.

  • Avatar Image frankdekock1 year said ago:

    Guys this is so great!  

    I have been wanting to make fans for a very long time but had no clue how to start and finally I got some basic information to get me started.  

    Your information is so valuable!

    Patric a video or some pictures of your process would be awesome.  Steven you are right it’s very hard to find any pictures of completed fans.

    I live in Asia so I really am lucky to have a wide choice of really good quality fans in shops here to choose from.